Discussion:
Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure
Spencer Allen
2014-11-25 19:52:50 UTC
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I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers
accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down
we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that
this happened once the pressure was removed.



Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out
heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated
were in different areas of the system.



Best Regards,

Spencer Allen
John Corcoran
2014-11-26 14:05:41 UTC
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I know I'm asking the obvious...but was this area subject to higher-than-expected ambient temperatures? Or temperature spikes from some special cause (paint stripping with heat gun etc.)?

John Corcoran
Globe Fire Sprinkler Corporation
4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI  48658
Cell: (989) 439-5694
Phone:  (989) 846-4583 x 258

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Subject: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that this happened once the pressure was removed.



Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated were in different areas of the system.



Best Regards,

Spencer Allen
Spencer Allen
2014-11-26 14:19:50 UTC
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I asked the same questions, answer given to us is no. I have also queried
if any re-roofing had occurred on the very unlikely scenario the heat may
have transferred below.

Best Regards,
Spencer Allen

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Sent: 26 November 2014 14:06
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Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I know I'm asking the obvious...but was this area subject to
higher-than-expected ambient temperatures? Or temperature spikes from some
special cause (paint stripping with heat gun etc.)?

John Corcoran
Globe Fire Sprinkler Corporation
4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI  48658
Cell: (989) 439-5694
Phone:  (989) 846-4583 x 258

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Subject: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers
accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down
we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that
this happened once the pressure was removed.



Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out
heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated
were in different areas of the system.



Best Regards,

Spencer Allen



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Brad Casterline
2014-11-26 14:39:21 UTC
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Were the two different areas where they activated subject to a lot of air
movement? I ask because Temperature is a measure of the kinetic energy and
is statistical, so Ambient is a smeared out type of measurement.
Are the heads solder-type?

Brad Casterline

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Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I asked the same questions, answer given to us is no. I have also queried
if any re-roofing had occurred on the very unlikely scenario the heat may
have transferred below.

Best Regards,
Spencer Allen

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Sent: 26 November 2014 14:06
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Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I know I'm asking the obvious...but was this area subject to
higher-than-expected ambient temperatures? Or temperature spikes from some
special cause (paint stripping with heat gun etc.)?

John Corcoran
Globe Fire Sprinkler Corporation
4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI  48658
Cell: (989) 439-5694
Phone:  (989) 846-4583 x 258

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Subject: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers
accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down
we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that
this happened once the pressure was removed.



Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out
heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated
were in different areas of the system.



Best Regards,

Spencer Allen



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Matt Grise
2014-11-26 14:52:55 UTC
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Any corrosive exposure? I just looked at a building where hydrochloric acid vapors melted out a link.

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II  
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
130 w 9th Ave.
North Kansas City, MO 64116

*Licensed in KS & MO
 
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-***@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:20 AM
To: ***@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I asked the same questions, answer given to us is no. I have also queried if any re-roofing had occurred on the very unlikely scenario the heat may have transferred below.

Best Regards,
Spencer Allen

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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-***@lists.firesprinkler.org]
On Behalf Of John Corcoran
Sent: 26 November 2014 14:06
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Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I know I'm asking the obvious...but was this area subject to higher-than-expected ambient temperatures? Or temperature spikes from some special cause (paint stripping with heat gun etc.)?

John Corcoran
Globe Fire Sprinkler Corporation
4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI  48658
Cell: (989) 439-5694
Phone:  (989) 846-4583 x 258

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On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
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Subject: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that this happened once the pressure was removed.



Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated were in different areas of the system.



Best Regards,

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Spencer Allen
2014-11-26 15:15:11 UTC
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I'm not sure how to describe the fusible link so I have drawn a sketch
below
________
/________\
// ------ \\
// ------ \\
// / || \ \\
|| | || | ||
|| | | | | ||
|| \| |/ ||
|| ------ ||
|| ------ ||
::::::::::::::::


They were located in a top floor plant room but in different rooms within
this. It is possible for air movement but not much. It's not a corrosive
environment that I'm aware of.

It's a first for me because the heads have been installed over 30 years ago
with no previous issues. The building has had the same occupier and purpose
throughout that time.

I have never sent heads for testing before, do you guys have any idea on
costs?

Best Regards,
Spencer Allen


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On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: 26 November 2014 14:53
To: ***@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

Any corrosive exposure? I just looked at a building where hydrochloric acid
vapors melted out a link.

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II  
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
130 w 9th Ave.
North Kansas City, MO 64116

*Licensed in KS & MO
 
913.888.0647 ph
913.888.0618 f
913.927.0222 cell
www. AFPsprink.com
 


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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-***@lists.firesprinkler.org]
On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:20 AM
To: ***@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I asked the same questions, answer given to us is no. I have also queried
if any re-roofing had occurred on the very unlikely scenario the heat may
have transferred below.

Best Regards,
Spencer Allen

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On Behalf Of John Corcoran
Sent: 26 November 2014 14:06
To: ***@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I know I'm asking the obvious...but was this area subject to
higher-than-expected ambient temperatures? Or temperature spikes from some
special cause (paint stripping with heat gun etc.)?

John Corcoran
Globe Fire Sprinkler Corporation
4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI  48658
Cell: (989) 439-5694
Phone:  (989) 846-4583 x 258

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Subject: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers
accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down
we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that
this happened once the pressure was removed.



Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out
heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated
were in different areas of the system.



Best Regards,

Spencer Allen



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John Corcoran
2014-11-26 15:23:15 UTC
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We can perform testing at Globe, Spencer. Send me a private email for pricing.
You can also check with UL, FM, or the other sprinkler manufacturers.

John Corcoran
Director of Marketing and Information Systems
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4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI  48658
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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-***@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I'm not sure how to describe the fusible link so I have drawn a sketch below
________
/________\
// ------ \\
// ------ \\
// / || \ \\
|| | || | ||
|| | | | | ||
|| \| |/ ||
|| ------ ||
|| ------ ||
::::::::::::::::


They were located in a top floor plant room but in different rooms within
this. It is possible for air movement but not much. It's not a corrosive
environment that I'm aware of.

It's a first for me because the heads have been installed over 30 years ago
with no previous issues. The building has had the same occupier and purpose
throughout that time.

I have never sent heads for testing before, do you guys have any idea on
costs?

Best Regards,
Spencer Allen


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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-***@lists.firesprinkler.org]
On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: 26 November 2014 14:53
To: ***@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

Any corrosive exposure? I just looked at a building where hydrochloric acid
vapors melted out a link.

Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II  
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
130 w 9th Ave.
North Kansas City, MO 64116

*Licensed in KS & MO
 
913.888.0647 ph
913.888.0618 f
913.927.0222 cell
www. AFPsprink.com
 


-----Original Message-----
From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-***@lists.firesprinkler.org]
On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:20 AM
To: ***@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I asked the same questions, answer given to us is no. I have also queried
if any re-roofing had occurred on the very unlikely scenario the heat may
have transferred below.

Best Regards,
Spencer Allen

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From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-***@lists.firesprinkler.org]
On Behalf Of John Corcoran
Sent: 26 November 2014 14:06
To: ***@lists.firesprinkler.org
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I know I'm asking the obvious...but was this area subject to
higher-than-expected ambient temperatures? Or temperature spikes from some
special cause (paint stripping with heat gun etc.)?

John Corcoran
Globe Fire Sprinkler Corporation
4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI  48658
Cell: (989) 439-5694
Phone:  (989) 846-4583 x 258

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On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
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Subject: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure

I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers
accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down
we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that
this happened once the pressure was removed.



Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out
heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated
were in different areas of the system.



Best Regards,

Spencer Allen



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Ben Young
2014-11-26 17:32:55 UTC
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Central model A's use the strut and pellet link design.

Similar to this, but not exactly
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Benjamin Young
Post by Spencer Allen
I'm not sure how to describe the fusible link so I have drawn a sketch
below
________
/________\
// ------ \\
// ------ \\
// / || \ \\
|| | || | ||
|| | | | | ||
|| \| |/ ||
|| ------ ||
|| ------ ||
They were located in a top floor plant room but in different rooms within
this. It is possible for air movement but not much. It's not a corrosive
environment that I'm aware of.
It's a first for me because the heads have been installed over 30 years ago
with no previous issues. The building has had the same occupier and purpose
throughout that time.
I have never sent heads for testing before, do you guys have any idea on
costs?
Best Regards,
Spencer Allen
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Matt Grise
Sent: 26 November 2014 14:53
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure
Any corrosive exposure? I just looked at a building where hydrochloric acid
vapors melted out a link.
Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II
Sales Engineer
Alliance Fire Protection
130 w 9th Ave.
North Kansas City, MO 64116
*Licensed in KS & MO
913.888.0647 ph
913.888.0618 f
913.927.0222 cell
www. AFPsprink.com
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:20 AM
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure
I asked the same questions, answer given to us is no. I have also queried
if any re-roofing had occurred on the very unlikely scenario the heat may
have transferred below.
Best Regards,
Spencer Allen
-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of John Corcoran
Sent: 26 November 2014 14:06
Subject: RE: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure
I know I'm asking the obvious...but was this area subject to
higher-than-expected ambient temperatures? Or temperature spikes from some
special cause (paint stripping with heat gun etc.)?
John Corcoran
Globe Fire Sprinkler Corporation
4077 Airpark Drive
Standish, MI 48658
Cell: (989) 439-5694
Phone: (989) 846-4583 x 258
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-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Spencer Allen
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 2:53 PM
Subject: Sprinkler Fusible Link Failure
I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers
accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down
we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that
this happened once the pressure was removed.
Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out
heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated
were in different areas of the system.
Best Regards,
Spencer Allen
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Ed Cyr
2014-11-26 16:20:44 UTC
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Spencer,
The failures you reference could be due to "solder creep", if you google
(solder creep of sprinkler heads) this you will see documentation on this
type of failure.
Post by Spencer Allen
I have recently had an issue with two CSC type A '1983' sprinklers
accidently activating. On inspection of the others following a drain down
we found several others without the link in place. We can only assume that
this happened once the pressure was removed.
Has anyone experience of this happening and reasons why? We can rule out
heat, pressure surges and works in the areas. The two heads that activated
were in different areas of the system.
Best Regards,
Spencer Allen
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