Discussion:
ESFR Sprinkler Density
Jay White
2017-03-14 19:15:34 UTC
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For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation
program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided
by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc
programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they
used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density.
What am I missing or am I completely off.



Jay White

Design Manager

Dynamic Fire Protection

9771 Highway 25 South

Starkville, MS 39759

PH: 662-312-2426

FAX: 662-324-1545
Travis Mack, SET
2017-03-14 19:18:51 UTC
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There is no density associated with the ESFR sprinklers as I understand
it. You are required to meet minimum pressures. If he is meeting the
minimum pressures, then it does not matter what the density says as it
is incorrect.

A k17 ESFR sprinkler can cover 64 sq ft to 100 sq ft). If the roof deck
does not exceed 30', you need 35 psi per sprinkler or 99.4 gpm. So,
your "density" ranges from 1.55 gpm / sq ft to 0.99 gpm / sq ft. See,
density does not come in to play. It is simply pressure at end sprinkler.

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Post by Jay White
For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a
calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times
k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required
to input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for
an ESFR project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I
came up with a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.
*Jay White*
*Design Manager*
*Dynamic Fire Protection*
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John Paulsen
2017-03-14 19:18:49 UTC
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Jay:



No, your designer made a little mistake there me thinks. The
calculations/densities must conform to the listing of the sprinkler. I would
have your designer take another look at the calculations.



John Paulsen - SET

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For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation
program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided
by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc
programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they
used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density.
What am I missing or am I completely off.



Jay White

Design Manager

Dynamic Fire Protection

9771 Highway 25 South

Starkville, MS 39759

PH: 662-312-2426

FAX: 662-324-1545
Mike B Morey
2017-03-14 19:20:12 UTC
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ESFR sprinklers are specific application sprinklers, they don't use the
area density method. Most calc programs require a density be input to
run, so that's probably why you're seeing it. As long as they calculated
the right number of sprinklers at the right minimum operating pressure it
should be fine.


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For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a
calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times
k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to
input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR
project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with
a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
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Jay White
2017-03-14 19:30:33 UTC
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I understand that it is not an area density calculation. But a density can be calculated based on the k-factor, pressure and area of sprinkler. Based on a pressure of 40 psi, a k-factor of 22.4, and an area per sprinkler of 90 sq. ft.. I came up with a density of 1.57. Why not use 1.57 in the calculations instead of .10? Like I said I may be way overthinking it. Just thought I would throw it out there, and I do appreciate the responses. And our calc program requires to input a density to run.



Jay White

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ESFR sprinklers are specific application sprinklers, they don't use the area density method. Most calc programs require a density be input to run, so that's probably why you're seeing it. As long as they calculated the right number of sprinklers at the right minimum operating pressure it should be fine.



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For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

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Mike B Morey
2017-03-14 19:35:32 UTC
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I've never known anyone using a program like hydracad that requires an
input to spend the time to figure out the density that would be relevant
for the calc sheets. Any time you make a design change you'd have to
potentially change every one of them. And even then, the density is only
a hypothetical, because only the end head will deliver the density you've
calculated. Using the word density with ESFR/CMSA period is an exercise
in futility IMHO. Just because a number can be defined doesn't make it
relevant to the system.



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I understand that it is not an area density calculation. But a density can
be calculated based on the k-factor, pressure and area of sprinkler. Based
on a pressure of 40 psi, a k-factor of 22.4, and an area per sprinkler of
90 sq. ft.. I came up with a density of 1.57. Why not use 1.57 in the
calculations instead of .10? Like I said I may be way overthinking it.
Just thought I would throw it out there, and I do appreciate the
responses. And our calc program requires to input a density to run.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
9771 Highway 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
PH: 662-312-2426
FAX: 662-324-1545



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ESFR sprinklers are specific application sprinklers, they don't use the
area density method. Most calc programs require a density be input to
run, so that's probably why you're seeing it. As long as they calculated
the right number of sprinklers at the right minimum operating pressure it
should be fine.


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For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a
calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times
k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to
input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR
project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with
a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
9771 Highway 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
PH: 662-312-2426
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What was the discharge from each sprinkler in the calculations? That should tell you whether or not he actually used 0.10 or it was a typo. Did the calculations reveal the area of coverage for each sprinkler?

What calculation program doesn’t allow you to enter the proper end head conditions and k-factors but only allow you to enter density?


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I've never known anyone using a program like hydracad that requires an input to spend the time to figure out the density that would be relevant for the calc sheets. Any time you make a design change you'd have to potentially change every one of them. And even then, the density is only a hypothetical, because only the end head will deliver the density you've calculated. Using the word density with ESFR/CMSA period is an exercise in futility IMHO. Just because a number can be defined doesn't make it relevant to the system.

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I understand that it is not an area density calculation. But a density can be calculated based on the k-factor, pressure and area of sprinkler. Based on a pressure of 40 psi, a k-factor of 22.4, and an area per sprinkler of 90 sq. ft.. I came up with a density of 1.57. Why not use 1.57 in the calculations instead of .10? Like I said I may be way overthinking it. Just thought I would throw it out there, and I do appreciate the responses. And our calc program requires to input a density to run.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
9771 Highway 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
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FAX: 662-324-1545



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Subject: Re: ESFR Sprinkler Density

ESFR sprinklers are specific application sprinklers, they don't use the area density method. Most calc programs require a density be input to run, so that's probably why you're seeing it. As long as they calculated the right number of sprinklers at the right minimum operating pressure it should be fine.
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For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

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I know on our software - the summary sheet on the front is a form that is filled in and does not draw data from the calc. I occasionally see a "density" listed that is from the last time the form was used.

If your system is flowing 1200-1400 gpm, it might be a typo.

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Subject: ESFR Sprinkler Density

For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
9771 Highway 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
PH: 662-312-2426
FAX: 662-324-1545
Mark Phillips
2017-03-14 19:24:11 UTC
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Density will not mater if you enter the proper pressure and flow requirements in Hydracad

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I know on our software - the summary sheet on the front is a form that is filled in and does not draw data from the calc. I occasionally see a "density" listed that is from the last time the form was used.

If your system is flowing 1200-1400 gpm, it might be a typo.

Matt


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Subject: ESFR Sprinkler Density

For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
9771 Highway 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
PH: 662-312-2426
FAX: 662-324-1545
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2017-03-14 19:31:03 UTC
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Fire that designer. Good grief.

ESFR would hardly be a 0.10 gpm/sf density if you did the math just for grins and giggles. A K-25 at 40 psi at 100 sq. ft would render about 160 gpm or 1.6 gpm/sf as you stated.


ESFR design is based on certain k-factors at certain pressures based on certain conditions.

Is this designer NICET certified?


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For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
9771 Highway 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
PH: 662-312-2426
FAX: 662-324-1545
Don Casey
2017-03-14 19:35:33 UTC
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Is it possible that the designer simply inputted 0.10 because the program requires it but then set the minimum discharge pressure at XXpsi? I used to have to do that with one of the programs (also required an area of coverage).

I used to get called on it by the odd AHJ but could always show them that the discharge pressure requirement was being met.

Cheers
Don

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Fire that designer. Good grief.

ESFR would hardly be a 0.10 gpm/sf density if you did the math just for grins and giggles. A K-25 at 40 psi at 100 sq. ft would render about 160 gpm or 1.6 gpm/sf as you stated.


ESFR design is based on certain k-factors at certain pressures based on certain conditions.

Is this designer NICET certified?


Craig L. Prahl
Fire Protection Group Lead/SME
CH2M
200 Verdae Blvd.
Greenville, SC 29607
Direct - 864.920.7540
Fax - 864.920.7129
CH2MHILL Extension 77540
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Subject: ESFR Sprinkler Density [EXTERNAL]

For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57 density. What am I missing or am I completely off.

Jay White
Design Manager
Dynamic Fire Protection
9771 Highway 25 South
Starkville, MS 39759
PH: 662-312-2426
FAX: 662-324-1545
David Autry
2017-03-14 19:36:38 UTC
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Often I use the density to manipulate the sprinkler.

Say an OHEC sprinkler requires 60gpm at 28.7psi. I’ll put the area at 600
sq. ft. at a .10 density to get my 60gpm and set the end head pressure at
28.7psi.



David Autry



Meininger Fire Protection

2521 West L Street, Suite 5

Lincoln, NE 68522

402.466.2616

402.466.2617 fax

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Fire that designer. Good grief.



ESFR would hardly be a 0.10 gpm/sf density if you did the math just for
grins and giggles. A K-25 at 40 psi at 100 sq. ft would render about 160
gpm or 1.6 gpm/sf as you stated.





ESFR design is based on certain k-factors at certain pressures based on
certain conditions.



Is this designer NICET certified?




*Craig L. Prahl*
Fire Protection Group Lead/SME
*CH2M*
200 Verdae Blvd.
Greenville, SC 29607
Direct - 864.920.7540

Fax - 864.920.7129

CH2MHILL Extension 77540
***@ch2m.com



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*Subject:* ESFR Sprinkler Density [EXTERNAL]



For ESFR calculation purposes. What part does density play in a calculation
program. Density is based on square root of pressure times k-factor divided
by area per sprinkler. Is this the density required to input in calc
programs. Our company hired an outside designer for an ESFR project and
they used .10 density in his ESFR calculations. I came up with a 1.57
density. What am I missing or am I completely off.



*Jay White*

*Design Manager*

*Dynamic Fire Protection*

*9771 Highway 25 South*

*Starkville, MS 39759*

*PH: 662-312-2426*

*FAX: 662-324-1545*
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